~The Heroes Lounge~

[FG Admin]

Keep in mind that Sensitives are the same as humans, they just have two less ability slots (and a health bonus)...
Not all sensitives will be combat warriors, just like not all humans will be combat soldiers. I guess it depends on if you are building a character like a tank.

The standing attack bonus does sound like a good idea, but I still have a problem with it. I guess I should explain that I am basing the powers off of experience, not only in role playing but in MMO games as well. When players get to the max level (no matter what game it is) they have a habit of developing what I like to call the "Goku complex". It means that they feel that they don't need help from anyone else and they feel like they are the only one that can save the day. In other words, they become solo fighters.
In the cartoon Dragon ball Z, no one could defeat the main bad guy until Goku arrived in the battle, or Goku was revived from the dead. Everyone else in the show felt expendable.


I want Sensitives and humans to both rely on teamwork so that they can't always go around soloing. They should be able to take on a small army of weak humans, but anything higher then rank 7 should require some form of assistance to help you win the battle, especially for what I am planning for a later event. That way a group of five senstives battling a group of five humans would have to use strategy and team work to win, and not just spam their strongest attacks. I want them to have the strength to overpower humans, but only if they use their abilities correctly. That way we don't have a bunch of players attempting to gain "one hit kills".

I will consider the D20 power dice system for rolling how strong you are. But I still like the fact that their SP subtracts, so that if they get tired and lose energy not only will it require them to sleep, but it also means that if you keep fighting all day long you will eventually need back up...


PS.
I haven't been making mistakes with the roll dice! >
It turns out that the numbers change! I saw it happen. If my internet is lagging (or perhaps their roll dice server?) it will roll one number (lets say a 96), and after about 5 mins the number will change to an 82 after the automatic refresh!
It doesn't do it all the time, but I think it might be a glitch where it rerolls the number. >.>

[Bernard]

I agree with the max power thing creating a bunch of loner oriented factions. Part of the reason I like the random power level option. This prevents a top heavy power structure after several playing sessions of advancement.

I have an idea for a character floating in my head. Part of the reason I suggested a method to give players some choice in power selection.
It may involve the Mastermind power.
What skills exactly are associated under its umbrella?
This gives a me a sensitive that will play out largely as a norm. Notice how I'm not leaning towards combat abilities???
I have the basics worked out as a Norm I just want to see how it would affect my options.
Once we finish with the guinea pigs one and two I may substitute this norm for the Rambo wannabe

Combat challenge. Take a HAA pistol with a full clip and fire it off at a target (no DEF bonuses or agaility). Use the d30 system. How many bullets should it take to fell an opponent? Start with 50 HP (you now fear being shot at immediately.) Reload and face off with each player exchanging fire. Combat should be relatively quick to keep it fresh and exciting. Max 4 rounds???
Now add simple armour. The fight should extend (6 turns??).

[FG Admin]

With 50 HP you would most likely die very quickly with that HAA battle. Bennett got shot once full on and grazed the second time and it took 47 damage. So one more round and he would be dead...

What if when you got your powers ir was at a specific lvl (ie random d20) indicating relative power. This power rating would be your permanent ATK Bonus which could be raised through RP rewards in a similar manner as prestige.? Likewise a Defensive power would give a permanent DEF bonus. The user would chose one or the other as his/her primary intent. example a lvl 10 pyrotechnic would have an ATK of +10 and a default of +5 (half his offensive capability) to DEF. It also saves on the constant book keeping of SP bonus and variable multipliers
If a their ability (preference of playability) they play one power at whatever the random roll. If they choose random selection they have an opportunity to acquire a secondary ability.

If you pass your tutorial you can roll 2d20 selecting the most favorable result for power lvl.

Hmm. I'm not sure I completely understand the system you described three posts ago. Are they rolling for a power or picking one from a list? I think I almost get the system but for some reason it isn't registering right.


As for the mastermind power, You can use every single life skill in the list with that super power, but only the ones that are outside of combat abilities. So cooking, observation, stealth, crafting items, acting, ETC. It is the life skill version of combat mastery.

I'm tempted to test a full combat battle using the current default system with Glory VS over powered Rambo just to see what it would be like in a 1 on 1 fight. Give them both full equips stats and the works just to see how it would play out and how long it would go on.

But I guess if you want we could still do the fatal 50 HP gun fight with norms only, using the D30 dice. Both would have a HAA pistol (+8 atk +2 def) and a basic combat vest (+5 def), giving them a total bonus of 7 def and 8 atk.

One way or the other the fight on the bridge is coming to a close, so in a few days it will be normal role playing with Bernard instead of constant combat fights.

[Bernard]

Geoff uses Suppressing fire!
1d100
61

He raised the gun and shot two bullets in Bernard's direction, squeezing the trigger slowly so that they were aimed shots and not wild random shots.

He now shot two more bullets in the trucks direction, the armored truck was a bit out of his gun's effective range so if he actually hit what he was aiming for it would be pure luck.

He now aimed the HAA pistol into the window of the taxi and shot the last two bullets at the taxi driver.

Doesn't really sound like suppression fire to me with all the aiming. Seems to indicate three separate instances all involving double shots. Isn't it suppose to be more like spray and pray??
He would have little choice on how many bullets were allocated in which direction.

You shoot at a target while taking cover. This move is pretty much useless in a one on one fight, but if you have a partner it can do devastating damage. By raining down random heavy fire on your target's position you pin them down, causing them to hide and not be able to move, nor fire back at you. If you are lucky one of your shots may hit them, but that is rare. If done correctly your partner will be able to flank your target to take the kill shot and end the battle.
(Adds +2 to whatever you roll). Empties clip.
(Roll higher than enemy for success.)
Recharge time: Cannot use twice in a row.
Bonus stat: Cancels all enemy's attacks for one turn.

What determined if a stray bullet hits target or not (critical success or critical failure of opponents reaction)?
Higher than enemy for success indicates suppression??
If not it just seems like a steroid version of elite striker/rapid fire
(able to use every other round and no return fire)

Semi-autos should pin one target area.
Full auto weapons are capable of a more diverse spread.
Must have 3/4 of clip remaining (save on the cheezy two bullet pin)

[Bernard]

The HAA Experiment
Our subjects are facing each other at close range. The Attacker is armed with a HAA pistol the Defender is helpless.
1d30 Combat System

Let's Begin:
1: 6 ATK +8 (HAA) - 22 DEF = Dodged
2: 14 ATK +8 (HAA) -1 DEF(critical failure)= 22x2 (44 Damage)
3: 16 ATK +8 (HAA) -3 DEF = 21 Damage
4: 1 (Critical Fail) Jammed Weapon d3 turns to clear – 21 DEF = Dodged

5: 30(Critical Success- bonus damage) +8(HAA) – 5 DEF = 33 +d30 damage
6: 29 +8 (HAA) -3 DEF = 34 Damage
7: 10 +8 (HAA) - 26 DEF = Dodged
8: 27 ATK +8 (HAA) – 17 DEF = 18 Damage

As you can see gunfire is devastating. At 50 HP out defender would be looking to get out of Dodge City immediately after being caught with a fatal round. Sticking around would only result in death by the third round for our poor target. Short, sweet just like a western gunfight. Even at 100HP our test subject is DEAD before the clip runs dry.

I included what I think should transpire with critical hits and failure. The only one that wasn’t explored in the scenario was a situation where the defender had critical success. In this instant the Defender would immediately counter attack as if he had the skill and pulled off the maneuver successfully.


Next step is to explore the effects of a good bullet proof vest followed by the effects of cover experiment
I will also explore the idea of the effects of damage on combat prowess at some point.

Alternate Reality:
1: 6 ATK +2 (P99) - 22 DEF = Dodged
2: 14 ATK +2 (P99) -1 DEF(critical failure)= 16x2 (32 Damage)
3: 16 ATK +2 (P99) -3 DEF = 15 Damage
4: 1 (Critical Fail) Jammed Weapon d3 turns to clear – 21 DEF = Dodged
5: 30(Critical Success- bonus damage) +2 P99 – 5 DEF = 27 +d30 damage
6: 29 +2 (P99) -3 DEF = 28 Damage
7: 10 +2 (P99) - 26 DEF = Dodged
8: 27 ATK +2 (P99) – 17 DEF = 12 Damage

((I switched the weapon to a P99 using the same rolls for comparison. The defender now has an extended lifespan although limited))

[Bernard]

HAA Experiment 2
Subject 1 (HAA Pistol) vs Subject 2 (HAA Pistol + Basic Combat Vest)
D30 combat system

1. Subject 1 Attack Roll = 9 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 2 Def Roll =10 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =Dodge
Subject 2 Attack Roll =8 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 6 +2(weapon bonus)] = 8 Damage

2. Subject 1 Attack Roll =1 Critical failure-Weapon Jam d3 turns roll = 2-[Subject 1 Def Roll =28 + 2 (weapon bonus) + 5 (vest)] =Dodge
Subject 2 Attack Roll =2 +8 (HAA) – [Subject 1 Def Roll =30 Critical Success Counter Strike Roll =12 =+12 to Attack roll (lost to weapon jam)[/color]

3. Subject 1 Clear Jam -[Subject 2 Def Roll =10 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =Dodge
Subject 2 Attack Roll =17 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 7 +2 (weapon bonus)] =16 Damage

4. Subject 1 Clear Jam -[Subject 2 Def Roll =16 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =Dodge
Subject 2 Attack Roll =23 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 19 +2 (weapon bonus)] =10 Damage

5. Subject 1 Attack Roll = 24 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 2 Def Roll =16 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =9 Damage
Subject 2 Attack Roll =6 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 22 +2(weapon bonus)] = Dodge

6. Subject 1 Attack Roll = 23 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 2 Def Roll =30 Critical success-counterstrike –Roll =29 =+ 29 to attack roll
Subject 2 Attack Roll =3 +8 (HAA)+ 29 (Counterstrike)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 27 +2(weapon bonus)] = 11 Damage

7. Subject 1 Attack Roll = 12 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 2 Def Roll =26 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =Dodge
Subject 2 Attack Roll =5 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 23 +2(weapon bonus)] =Dodge

8. Subject 1 Attack Roll = 28 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 2 Def Roll =15 +2(weapon Bonus) +5 (vest)] =14 Damage
Subject 2 Attack Roll =23 +8 (HAA)-[Subject 1 Def Roll = 18 +2(weapon bonus)] = 11 Damage

END OF SIMULATION
At 50 HP the armored subject comes out on top. The weapon jam of his opponent helped out as well.

[FG Admin]

Alright, I see how the D30 50 hp thing works. Players would go through a lot of characters though whenever they entered combat because a lot of them would end up dead....
Which is why I place the "weak" NPCs at 50 HP, and "boss" NPCs at 100 HP. It is to give the player the advantage against everything that isn't a boss. Otherwise if all the players died in small fire fights, any knowledge that they gained about the Mystery would be lost with them. The RP's story line would never get any where...

As for Geoff I base it on real life, not video games, movies, or books. Have you ever seen a small scale police gun fight?
I made him aim because I rolled so high on the dice log, I figured that the shots were going to connect. If a guy was standing 20 feet away from you and aimed the gun at your chest and pulled the trigger, would you run closer to him or would you duck and take cover?

I for one would run like hell even if it were only two bullets. When I play realistic MMO games where you can die in one shot, most players hide when a single bullet comes their way because they don't want to die, especially in survival game types where you only get a single life. I made him shoot in Bennett's direction in case he survives the encounter inside the truck and to suppress the Hydra enforcer, they won't be able to shoot in Geoff's direction if Geoffrey is firing at them.

Again, the average person would try to hide at the first sign of gun shots coming towards them, especially if they can't see the shooter's position (the enforcer and Bennett can't see Geoff, they both stopped looking at him).

I suppose I do need to make the skill more clear, I didn't explain it right. It is suppose to suppress all enemies regardless of how high you roll. But if you do happen to roll higher than your enemy then the shots will hit them and take damage. Sometimes in games I will take the time to aim while giving suppressing fire just so my target knows "I see you, and I'm shooting at you", it puts their full focus on me so my team mates can get behind them.

It isn't full auto restricted because in real life a person can be suppressed with pistol fire, but unlike elite striker Suppressing fire can only be used with guns which is why it is labeled under "Long range" in the skill list.

Hope that explains everything.

[Bernard]

Actually d30 50hp thing describes fully of what you were talking about. If someone points a gun at you you take cover. %0 may be low but you should fear such a situation. Keeps characters from going willy-nilly into combat situations.

As for the suppression fire thing, if that is the way it is it needs a revamp. Why take elite striker/rapid fire when you can unload a clip and opponents don't fire back while you unload just to do it again on turn three. If the attacker rolls high and the defender low (the basic combat round) you still do the same damage as you would in a normal situation and take on multiple targets with that same high roll.

((Incoming Fire- Keep your head down- Roll = 14 +19 (DEF) =33
Damage = 71-33 =38))

I take more damage from a spray and pray than when he was actually aiming at me plus I can't attack back?? Something is wrong with that picture especially when it is described as one of the shots may hit the target but it is rare. Seems they have just as much chance as if they were taking target practice.

Guess the gods smiled upon Geoff on that one.

EDIT: Guinea pig forgot to double sp modifier again. Told you the book keeping upkeep would cause problems

[FG Admin]

Argh, I didn't mean for the post to be so long. But here goes...
I did forget about the SP. The X2 SP thing is complicated to keep track of. I don't think I want to use that system for everyone to use. It is basic adding, subtracting, and multiplying, but I keep forgetting to multiply!
I can see this being a huge problem for long term use.
I have another simpler idea for the SP but I'll wait before telling it to think it through a bit better...

I'm going to slightly edit the suppression fire skill, but only slightly. The Elite striker skill is almost the same thing but without the weapon limit so you could use it as a sword combo. Suppression needs a gun and it empties your clip. On the next round Geoff will have no ammo in his gun and no clips to reload. No one can attack him on that turn, but what about the next one? See the problem? He now has no weapons to defend himself with...
Unless you stock up on ammo (which is expensive) and have team members backing you up, Suppression turns into a death trap skill.
I'll add it to my to-do list though to make minor adjustments (like a longer cool down time), but it isn't as almighty as it sounds...
You have to take into account that at the moment no one is wearing armor in this battle except for Geoff. Armor will play a large role in dodging attacks.

And the only problem I'm having with the 50 HP thing though is defense. The way the system is currently set up (even for humans), the more money you have the better your equipment, with better equipment you do more damage, which makes the battles shorter and easier against weaker targets. It makes it feel like you are getting stronger. But would it still feel that way if you could still die to a rank 1 bad guy that got a lucky roll in with his shotgun? Would you even bother buying health potions if you could still die even after drinking one?
Even with armor, 50 HP still puts the odds against the hero player when fighting NPCs.

But with 50 HP even if they recover their health to full and then they get hit in that same turn it still puts them in danger after drinking the potion. Now at the moment we have been doing 1 on 1 single fights, but what about three VS four with the odds stacked against the hero side?
Kind of takes away from the hero effect if Batman died to a common thug...
Having the extra 50 HP (or 100 HP for sensitives) gives the player the advantage they need to survive. It is a superhero RP so I want the battles to be evened out, not short and deadly. If a hero and villain constantly had back and forth fights but neither one ever killed the other, that would be a fun little story line that I would like to read.

I'm not trying to disagree, I'm just trying to look at everything for long term scenarios and how it will effect the overall role play and story line. I have to make sure it is evened out for all players, skills, and equipment. Next week I'll start editing everything on my To-do list to make the necessary changes to the site.

[Bernard]

It is a superhero RP so I want the battles to be evened out, not short and deadly. If a hero and villain constantly had back and forth fights but neither one ever killed the other, that would be a fun little story line that I would like to read.

I see what you are getting at here. My only concern is that battles become afairs that are drawn out over weeks with each side dodging bullets while giving the bullwinkle to their opponent.
Fight scenes would lack intensity and thrill.

Kind of takes away from the hero effect if Batman died to a common thug...

The same effect holds true that it didn't take Batman three minutes to dispatch one of the numerous minions that stood between him and the Penguin.
What about 40 HP (minion) 80 HP (norm) 120 HP(sensitive) for the d30 system instead of 25/50/75 ??

I agree we still have to test multi-player vs one
3 minions vs super?



It had a thought for Supression fire and the rareity of damage that it would only occur on a critical success or critical failure of the evasive manuever. Just a thought as the desired effect is to keep opponent's heads down. Drawing blood is just an added bonus.

Just because Geoff ran out of bullets doesn't take away from the effectiveness of the skill. Reloads are only $20. Most PC's will carry three.